Shaykh Saeed Foudeh on Imkan al-Kadhib

JZK, i agree with you hazrat, that we try to give excuses whenever it is possible. However, you can easily know the one who has sincerely made a mistake and those who go on making false taweels to defend their mistakes.

in a nutshell,
veracity of scholar is never questioned plus an arabic poet says that two men are enough to have your neck
or we know that for a month to enter, a testimony of a muslim is enough....
unless you have a case of
ان جاء فاسق بنبأ فتبينوا

Alahazrat also send the fatawa for endorsement to other scholars of the country for example in Hyderabad he sent it to Shaykh of Hanbalis - Hazrat Omar Hussaini

The point is very simple, we should not dilute ourselves and we should call a spade a spade.


People - false scholars - pseudo intellects today bank on wahhabi bashing, that is they start their career, but it is very easy to catch these type of people.


an honest person will go deep and list out the reasons without any fear why he thinks deobandis should get excused for deviancy.

Didn't the deobandis themselves accept and agree that those statements are KUFR ?!

Ok, leave all this, which Deobandit or Tableeghi doesn't know what a barelvi is ? Why do they call us (ahlus sunnah) biddatis and mushrikin ?

I mean if it was a genuine mistake by early deobandis then why do the present day deobandis label us biddatis and mushrikin, and then why do the arab scholars, find excuses to defend the deobandis like Loayy Khalil or Usman Nabulsi.... Really the argument that they don't know arabic is very weak, if they don't know ARABIC they should keep their mouth shut than saying, it is misunderstanding or coming out with lame excuses. Also, I am not satistified by Said Fudah when it comes to this issue or the issue wahdat al wujud. I am sorry if it hurts someone.

It is a serios matter, Alahazrat tireless worked in protecting sunnism in the sub-continent, and all his efforts will be in vain, if we get diluted because of some arab scholar. It is due to Alahazrat Barakah that we have sunnism in Indian subcontinent, just look around you in india or pakistan or UK -- tablighi centers everywhere. deobandis popping out like pop-corn.


I will never insha-Allah hesitate to call a spade a spade, insha-Allah even if Mr Habib Ali Jifri or the greatest Molvi of our times makes lame excuses for deobandis

 

what i don't understand is that they do not even make an attempt to investigate - but instead dole out their wisdom generously. unfortunately, this is an issue about arab ulama i don't understand.

actually, the urdu of those statements is old that such an excuse holds for most urdu speakers in the subcontinent. the aalim you must have spoken is probably speaking from a position of privilege; meaning they were born in sunni families and they just inherited it without having to investigate. however, urdu of those blasphemous passages is confusing to a modern reader and we can exempt common people from taking a stand based on those statements. of course, i consider them to be kufr because i am convinced, and it is difficult to accept ta'wilat offered by deobandis. but i don't expect everybody to see this issue as i do.

Allah ta'ala knows best.

good question - and this is something all ulama who could investigate but ignored will have to answer.

we follow the madh'hab of alahazrat. if there is a possibility to excuse someone from takfir based on a faint possibility of certain situation or explanation being true, we will withhold our tongues. the excuses of arab scholars and common men in our time is one such "zaeef say zaeef ihtimal" - and therefore we withhold our tongue from takfir.

nas'alu Allah al-aafiyah.

 

According to one of the Ulema I spoke to, the “don’t know Urdu” excuse for the Arab/non desi scholars, is no longer valid due to a number of reasons.

 

How is an independent non-biased person independently n unbiasedly make a judgement when he is DEPENDENT upon others to tell him what is written by x y z when both parties r presenting to his their sides with ALLAH KI KASAM. MY JUBBAS KASAM, KABAHS KASAM, BY MY GREY BEARD I M NOT LYING.

How a ALLAH fearing, n fearing for his iman islam n Aakhirah just go ... KAFIR KAFIR KAFIR ... everyone is not brave n idiot like me ... Some do genuinely fear Allah unlike me ...so they will hold their tongue. I am DIY 'MUFTI' so decorum proper procedure and hasnt hit me in the head yet so Kafir is ususally first thing i attack with but you can take the lead in Takfir of Saeed Fudah n others and i will give you my attestation write a eulogy about your jurrat and throwing caution to wind. As for me ... My iman is not strong enoigh SULLAH KULLISM has seeped into my bones.

 

Arab scholars don't have excuses
Why ?

How did they sign or endorse hussam Al haramain ?

Did they know urdu ?


A person goes into details reads mufannad of Khalil in arabic and reads hussam in arabic and then has excuses ?

 

Arab scholars have excuse, we don't know Urdu. They have valid excuse, we cannot trust one over another in matter of Takfir. IF scholars have been lied to n they looked at jubba beard n seniority of age n believed liars than we have to excuse them. Scholars off past were lied to in regards to imam abu hanifa including imam bukhari n they made nasty comments about him. Yet we hold nothing against them nor we believe what they said about imam abu hanifa due to misinformation.

DEOBANDIS are not exactly Truthful ... You can see what Kafir wrote in al-Muhannad n compare that with wat is in their books. If someone read al muhannad than wat can u say about them when exactly opposite is in their books ... Dajjal ill learn few tricks from these kafirs like of khalil ahmad saharanpuri to give achieve mastery in his dajjil.

So even though i dont like this guy ... Making his or any Arab scholars Takfir ... Not warranted.

They ill have blame of giving honour to Deobandis n justifying them n they ill be questioned about help they provided to Deobandis in destroying damaging islam by their positive reviews on judgement day. n that ill be enough humiliation n disgrace upon them but TAKFIR not justified.

Shaykh Abu Hasan vouched for his Saeed Fudah aqeeda n i trust him. Hence i ill not question nor reject his Sunnism but Saeed Fuda is liable wat he says on judgment day even due to lies or misinformation.

 

On what? Which Sunni aqidah did he negate?

Whats your fatwa on Ali al-Qari and Taftazani themselves?

 

I suggest you check this out



mufti sahib has articulated this very well, there is no excuse for fudah

 

Brother Muhammad Ali, It is no secret that Saeed Fudah has been given copies of Fatawa Hussam Al Haramain, anyone can call up this guy and ask him why he hesitates to endorse the book, hasn't he done all the research from both sides and read the books and supposedly great Mutakalim ?!

Most of people today bank on the wahhabi bashing, then they see which group can be easily targeted for fanbase, the case with some arab scholar Louayy Khalil and Uthman Nabulsi who have delved deep into these subjects, you cannot come and say, look they are following taftazani or Ali Qari, so why they follow Ali Qari in this and not follow Suyuti ? Why not follow Shadhilli and reject Ali Qari and Taftazani, you may say well, he is mutakallim, so why not Sharani or Ghazali, why stick to those who attack Awliya like ibn Arabi, this is incomplete or inconsistent research.

Anyway, what does Ala Hazrat say about Rashid Gangohi in his Fatawa Hussam Al Haramain,
Arabic
https://archive.org/details/20201013_20201013_0358
English
https://archive.org/details/HussamUlHaramainEnglish/page/n11/mode/2up

 

in the end of sub'han al-subbuh, alahazrat refrained from takfir of those who believe in imkan, though it is deemed kufr near fuqaha.

 

Salam alaykum,

I am aware what is in their books.

Imkan kizb was their first stance, when Muslims denounced the Kafirs they tried to cover it up by jumbling khalf waeed n imkan kizb instead of Tawbah.

One who believes in imkan of kizb is Kafir. Even though Ala Hazrat rahimullah refrained from Takfir on this I do not. Ala Hazrat refrained I assume because they conflated khalf waeed with it and he gave them benefit of doubt.

Kizb being Momkin in Zaat of Allah is also Kufr as much as I understand for reasons I explained in previous post. I have always made Takfir of those who have said they believe it. I am not scholar or anything higher than that so I can step down from pedastle of Takfir on Momkin in Zaat part if I get sound correction from an Aalim like of Ala Hazrat etc.

 

Are you saying a person becomes a kafir if he believes it is possible for God to lie but also believes He will not lie?

 

From Radd Al Muhannad
Regarding the Imkan Al-kidhb=Khulf al-wayid according to the deobandis

 

Why would someone define kizb as khalf al waid. Khalf waeed is Rahma and Khalf Wa'ad ul-Husna is His right.

Khalf waeed is basically not punishing even when threat of puniahment was issued. I say to son if u dont do that i ill slap u, he doesnt, i out of compassion and mercy dont hit him = Khalf waeed is Rahma/mercy.

Khilaf wa'ad ul husna is basically saying i will give u this but not than doing it. Its His right n not lying or anything because we are His property He puts us in Hell or paradise He does what he likes to His property. You say i will put table here. U get one n u put it there because you changed ur mind. Is that lying? My property goes where i want it. And His property goes where He wants it.

To even entertain Imkan al-kizb is Khalf waeed is senseless. Its like saying, Zina is Halal Islam and than defining Zina as Shari legal physical relationship with ones own wife.

The Kafirs discussed Imkan al Kizb and when Muslims exposed them they tried to change the goal post, 'Imkan kizb means khalf waeed. 'and idiots are going along with it.

They are Kafir for saying there is Imkan of kizb. They are Kafir for establishing wuqu kizb and they are Kafir for saying Kizb is Momkin for Allah.

Lying is fear of someone, and fear of repercussions and Allah fears none, and there are no repercussions leading him to lie or for it to be momkin. Kizb is only Momkin if Allah fearing another is momkin or Allah fearing another will impose on Him repercussions.

People dropping big words which neither i or other laymen understand. Explain to people religion how they can relate to it.

I have never had a kafir from Deobandis or any other Kafir contest this issue when i spelt it out as i have done above. This jargon business is not only hindering proper understanding of subjcet its also allowing subject to spread.

I am 5th jammat Pakistan Urdu pass and i read Allamah Kazmi's article on this topic in Maqalaat Kazmi and Ala Hazrats Subhan as Subhu and that is all. And back than n even today jargons fly high above my intellect n knowledge but i persevered n came out with the above. Never had any doubt or suspicion or confusion there after.

 

Whichever brothers run that reality of deobandis telegram channel, you need to post your observations on Sunniport and X (twitter) as well and the influencers among you also need to make a video on YouTube refuting that devbandi clown

There were some good observations today from Shaykh Saeed's book and shows that devbandis like always have been kicking up hype. It's always a case of khoda paharh Nikla Chuha with them!

 

The "Reality of the Deobandis" Telegram page has a Sunni student of knowledge's feedback on Shaykh Saeed's book

https://web.telegram.org/k/#@RealityOfTheDeobandis

If someone can copy and paste the relevant parts here it will be great

Just today Shaykh Saeed Foudeh declared himself a mubtadi3i by the standards of that devbandi donkey and zameel, let that Usman guy call out his bid3ah and take him to task



From the Sunni brothers' telegram page

 

i disagree a bit, it was very easy for him to ascertain this blame of deobadies because ad dawlah and anba al hay, which is a direct refutation of barzanji's risalah, are in arabic, he can be excused for not able to read urdu books or not believing in the translations, but it is very hard to believe that he would have not known about ad dawlah which barzanji's quote talked about.

 

I completely understand your point and definitely agree.

I was just pointing out the irony of his mentioning that "Al-Baraylawi" also made mistakes and was just another scholar and not free from error. The difference is that "Al-Baraylawi" was actually not the one who erred in this matter...

 

i don't know about other countries, but one of the first things i learnt in driving was you must assume that everyone on the road other than you is blind and careless and it's your job to ensure your safety

this is specially true in our times for Sunnis

devbandis are of course keeping their end of the deal being lying degenerates and enemies. you only expect ambushes and attacks from an enemy, only a fool will expect decency from the enemy

as for Foudeh or other Arab ulama like him, maybe devs worked hard on him, as they did with keller. he's human too and in line with the driving example, don't expect nondesi ulama either to not be complacent or immune to lapses, don't expect present day anyone to be as meticulous as ulama of the past. technically yes it's his mistake to not get an accurate reading of the imams position, but how much have the barelwis worked to do "tashkeel" of him (a tb buzzword)?

we can't expect to fight the devs based on karamats alone. not gonna happen. the sahaba fought with hard work for the deen. we want to achieve results? we gotta do the hard yards for it without expecting either a wali's karamat or expecting everyone in the world to do everything right

i was talking to an entrepreneur yesterday and he said a great thing which another businessman gave him as a rule of thumb - until you spend 10000 work hours on your gig, you don't have the right to say it's not working out, and if you make it before that, it's luck, not you! of course we have the akabir who wrote voluminous books and tirelessly did work for deen and all, but as a generality among today's ulama, can you show me a Sunni aalim who can show you such an effort with x number of hours logged in the service of deen, be it writing books, translating Ala Hazrats books, lobbying with government against qadianis, anything, even reading Sunnis own books?