Dhāt of Allah present in heavens and earth

deobandis themselves are not consistent on this point of aqidah.

- some deobandis state that Allah Ta'ala is on the throne and not everywhere.

- others claim that He Subhanahu wa Ta'ala is everywhere with His Essence (bi zatihi), such as umar achravi, who is often presented as a sunni manazir.

- still others, like manzur mangel, assert that Allah Ta'ala is everywhere but not in every place, and then resort to corporeal examples to explain this claim, while at the same time rejecting scholars such as imam zahid al-kawthari rahimahullah.

in short, there is clear confusion and inconsistency. they attempt to hold contradictory positions at once, i.e. trying to hold ashari/maturidi aqidah while also adopting ibn taymiyyah-influenced ideas that lead to tajsim.

 

Abdul Wahid said at minute 2 that Allah's Dhaat is in every place and I don't think he's misspeaking considering his follow up.

 

strange ilm al-kalam of deobandies, allamah zahid al kauthari's rad is rejected (mardud), and what manzur mengal explains is haq, al iy'adhu billah.

 

maulvi masud is utterly unlearned and does not understand aqidah or ilm al-kalam.

what mufti abdul wahid said was largely correct, except that he failed to qualify the statement “har jagah maujud hay” with ilm and qudrah. this is a common problem among deobandi ulama. if abdul wahid’s statement “har jagah maujud hay”, which is in itself an incorrect statement, is left unqualified, then the same objections apply to it that he himself raised regarding the presence of Allah Ta'ala on the throne.

i have read several kalam works by deobandies, and they are consistently filled with incorrect translations, misinterpretations, distortions, and deceptions, all employed solely to force their filthy aqidah to appear acceptable.

 

Pantheistic deobandis have the nerve to call others mushrik, look at these trash videos where they take away the iman of thousands. They attribute grave worship to Muslims and yet they take on hindu beliefs themselves.



Any basic reading of a creed or kalaam work would tell you that what these people propagate is false. No idea what curriculum is taught to these people or how hulool became one of their foundational beliefs

 

zameel responded, but this time he didn't call out this forum or its members or display screenshots from here.

i wonder why

https://barelwism.wordpress.com/202...e-is-the-statement-allah-is-everywhere-valid/

 

... which one will be right the accuser or the accused? It will be the accuser.

clear as day

 

how about keller - their go-to guy for kalam and urdu adab? i wonder what he's up to these days

 

روى ابن حبان (81) ، والبخاري في "التاريخ الكبير" (2907) ، والبزار (2793) عن حذيفة رضي الله عنه قال : قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ : ( إِنَّ مَا أَتَخَوَّفُ عَلَيْكُمْ رَجُلٌ قَرَأَ الْقُرْآنَ حَتَّى إِذَا رُئِيَتْ بَهْجَتُهُ عَلَيْهِ ، وَكَانَ رِدْئًا لِلْإِسْلَامِ ، غَيَّرَهُ إِلَى مَا شَاءَ اللَّهُ ، فَانْسَلَخَ مِنْهُ وَنَبَذَهُ وَرَاءَ ظَهْرِهِ ، وَسَعَى عَلَى جَارِهِ بِالسَّيْفِ ، وَرَمَاهُ بِالشِّرْكِ ) ، قَالَ: قُلْتُ: يَا نَبِيَّ اللَّهِ، أَيُّهُمَا أَوْلَى بِالشِّرْكِ، الْمَرْمِيُّ أَمِ الرَّامِي؟ قَالَ: ( بَلِ الرَّامِي )" .
قال ابن كثير رحمه الله إِسْنَادٌ جَيِّد ​

 

where are the champions of devband. zameel and ibn adam should translate this in arabic (without khiyanah as is their nature and habit) and tell the arab scholars that this is the true aqidah of devband.

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the ahmaq and jahil who wrote that fatwa claims:

Allah is mustawee on arsh, yet present everywhere. all the mufassirin admitted defeat* in their attempts to understand the reality of this, and were compelled to say: "Allah knows better what He wished to say by that" (Allahu a'alamu bi muradihi bi dhalik).

that is only Allah knows the manner in which He is upon the Arsh and how He is present everywhere (lit. every place). we cannot understand the quiddity or the reality of that. Allah being present on arsh and is present everywhere at the same time - we must only believe in this; we must not attempt to understand its reality.​

(* the urdu idiom is: threw down their weapons = admit defeat)​

where the mufassirin said: only Allah knows the real meaning of "istiwa ala arsh".

the jahil converted it to: "only Allah knows the MANNER in which He is UPON the arsh and everywhere at the same time"
and for a good measure added "and everywhere at the same time".

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this is the pathetic level of their understanding and they embark upon criticising kanz al iyman.

 

from What does “Omnipresence” of Allah Ta’ala mean?? | Islam Reigns (wordpress.com) a deviant deobandi website for references

 

yeh bhi daikhiay

https://darulifta-deoband.com/home/ur/islamic-beliefs/59513

https://darulifta-deoband.com/home/ur/islamic-beliefs/56058

 

Translation:


Question:

1. Is Allah (Glory to Him) present everywhere (lit. every place)?

2. Is Allah (Glory to Him) present everywhere (lit. every place) at the same time?

3. Is Allah (glory to Him) present in every thing?

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Answer:

1. Indeed, yes. Allah taala is every place.

2. Indeed, yes. He is present in every place at the same time.

3. Allah ta'ala exists (or present / mawjud) in every thing.

All of this is proven from Quranic verses.

=== end of fatwa from devband.

laa Hawla wa laa quwwata illa billah.


why do they not shut down their madrasa and go till the fields - at least, it will be of some benefit. the juhala are a prime example of "aamilatun naaSibatun"

their basic aqidah about Allah ta'ala is polytheistic and they have the temerity to accuse us of shirk for merely doing tawassul.

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sub'HanAllah.

devbandi buniyadi aqaid se jaahil.

so what is the difference between the devbandi and the hindu who thinks that god is present in his idols?

inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raji'un.

someone show this to sayid foudeh and some others who think deos are also sunnis.

 

a couple more quotes on the hukm regarding the utterer of such a statement:

TO SAY ALLĀH ﷻ IS IN ALL PLACES WITH HIS DHĀT?

Állāmah Ábd al-Raĥmān ibn Muĥammad Shaykhī Zādah al-Ĥanafī [d. 1078 AH / 1667 CE] writes in Majmá al-Anhur:

“He said, ‘There is no place that is free from Allāh’, he has committed Kufr.” https://t.co/vprIG83Bn2 pic.twitter.com/IFiYyQiSvV

— ابنِ خان (@IbneKhan01) September 10, 2020

 

amr's saying: "there is no place (makaan) or corner (gosha) such that the dhat (Essence) of Allah is not present in it" is a statement of disbelief. (kalimah e kufr) because by this statement the person establishes a place for Allah. [which is kufr]

 

jahil e mutlaq.

it is with this pathetic jahl that the pipsqueak seeks to fault kanz. hah. gireyban mein jhank kar dekho.

if this is gangohi's statement - it is clear. gangohi thanawi sab buniyadi aqaiyid se jaahil the.
tuff hai is ilmi liyaqat par. no wonder they held strange beliefs.

zameel, will now come out of the woodworks and try to prove black as white.


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ha ha. i reached 7.56 where he elucidates asharr-fiyli thanawi's "ulum". what a travesty!
not surprised because this knowledge is noor and devbandis are deprived of nur.

you can witness it yourself in this video!

even a basic concept is befuddled and thanawi - as is the wont of devbandis - converts 'dhat' to 'jism' and this lot thinks it is a clever thing.

that is according to thanawi: "people think that by dhat, it means the 'jism' of Allah is in every place" - while the speaker marvels at thanawi's explanation, i marvel at the skill of using multiple fallacies: burning the strawman and throwing a red herring at the same time.

who said that by dhat it means 'jism' of Allah? (al iyadhu billah)?
and
when you say that dhat is *in every place* are you not saying that the dhat exists in a place and that entails rest of the objections?

simply told in bad' al-amali: "wa dhatan an jihati's sitti khaali" kicks thanawi's smart-alecky nukta into the dustbin of heresy and kufr where it belongs.

laa Hawla wa laa quwwata illa billah.

devbandiyo! ab to hosh mein aao. follow someone who KNOWS his kalam (i.e. alahazrat imam ahmad rida khan - for instance read his 'qawariy al-qahhar' / zarb e qahhari and burn in envy for the command he has on the subject which your entire gang of "akabirs" can't hold a candle to) or keep following a jahil like thanawi whose basic aqidah is shaky.

no wonder, they couldn't wrap their pathetic heads about a simple thing as: "qudrat on mumkinaat; precludes muhalaat".

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while the anthropomorphist wahabi says: "on the arsh" - these morons believe that Allah is "on arsh as well as every where".


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afsos. the arabic of thanawi again ends with self-contradictory: "he is free from being in ANY makaan/place!"

makaan se bhi paak hai, magar biz zaat makaan mein hai. the only thing to add to anything is a the magic word: "bilaa kayf". you can even say that this devbandi's god resides in the idol "bilaa kayf". al-iyadhu billah.

تعالى الله علوا كبيرا

nas'aluAllah al-aafiyah.

 

I found these sudani ulama refuting wahabiyyah very nicely, they appear to be very barailvish but in sudan.