Qadr: Qadarīyyah beliefs among the masses

I'm sorry, but this is contradictory. This would also mean that Allah's will in contingent on our free will.

 

Yes, if someone presses x on a controller, this is free-will. No doubt. But one must understand before one was created, Allāh not only knew that a person would press x on a controller at a certain time, but Allāh also decided/willed this person would press x at a certain time with his own free-will. Notice how Allāh is willing this person would do something (pressing x) with his own will (intention). So we have free-will, however, this falls under the decision/will of Allāh. If a person rejects that Allāh wills/decides/create what we do, this is falling into the same camp of qadarīyyah beliefs/mu'tazilah, etc...

 

I swear by Allāh Azzawajal I have never posted anything before, rather, I recently became a member. Do you have any adab that you accuse a Muslim brother.

Also, do you reject that Allāh decided what people will do pre-eternally and that He creates our actions, falling into the same beliefs as the qadarīyyah?

By the way, https://sunnianswers.wordpress.com/...e-are-many-verses-and-hadiths-to-that-effect/

 

If people played video games or understood world building in such games should be able to understand many kalam points.

Brother when you hit 'x' on the controller, that was your intention. You chose to press x . All the visual/animated effects that occur due to pressing 'x' is the game mechanic. I hope you know where I am going with this.

 

Deja ve, someone came back with a new ID?

the same jabari troll is back?

it is you who was unable to understand it previously as well, and you haven't improved your understanding any further, because you believe in jabr.

your writing style and reasoning have not changed/improved.

would you mind correcting and rewriting BeS statement that you objected to? if you don't do that and keep uttering the same nonsense, we will kick you out.

 

If I'm not mistaken you have learnt your aqidah from an ashari. This matter has been discussed before on this forum, and I finally came to the conclusion that the asharis and maturidis have ikhtilaf on this matter. I personally lean toward the ashari view on this.

 

Qadr is not something that people should dwelve into. However, only because of deviance, the 'ulamā needed to teach Qadr more in depth so that people would have a correct understanding of it. Unfortunately, the teachings of many 'ulamā on this matter are not great.

Ibn Rajab al-Hanbalī (رَحِمَهُ ٱللَّٰهُ) has commented on the hadīth of jibrīl (alayhis salām) and talked about the two degrees of affirming Qadr.

The first, which is agreed upon by every Muslim, including some of the Qadarīyyah, is that Allāh always had pre-eternal knowledge of everything, and in this sense, He decreed and 'wrote' what He always knew was going to happen. Only the extreme Qadarīyyah, who are kuffār, rejected Allāh's knowledge and decree (first degree of Qadr).

The second is that Allāh has not only known what would happen but also creates people's actions and willed/decided their actions for them. This is affirmed by Ahlus Sunnah but rejected by Qadarīyyah and even by many Muslims today. They think affirming this degree is jabr (belief that we are compelled to do actions).

You see, many Muslims hear scholars saying that just because Allāh knows what we will do does not mean He is forcing us to do what we do. However, when a Muslim hears this, he thinks this means that Allāh knows what we will do but does not *create * or *decide * what we will do.

--So if Zayd was going to sin tomorrow, Ahlus Sunnah says not only did Allāh know that, He also *decided * that Zayd would sin tomorrow and creates his action of sinning.
--Qadarīyyah and many Muslims today think Allāh only knows what Zayd will do tomorrow but does not create his action and did not decide he would sin, rather, Allāh only wrote down what He knew what would happen and the common people think the decree is just Allāh allowing zayd to sin, not deciding or creating his action.

If they reply to us that Allāh deciding what we do is jabr, we reply Allāh decides what we do, but He also decided that we would commit these actions with our own will (which is what we feel with intention). Jabr is Allāh deciding what we do without our own will (involuntary action). The jabrīyyah say all actions we commit are involuntary. Ahlus sunnah say there is a distinction between voluntary and involuntary actions, and we are responsible only for the former, but Allāh creates both types for us. This is too difficult for many Muslims to comprehend.